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General News: Planning Board Differs on Kayak C of O

March 18, 2010

Cornwall-on-Hudson planning board chair Jeffrey Small thinks that the village building inspector made a mistake when he issued a certificate of occupancy to a kayak company to rent and sell kayaks at the old Storm King Theater.

Small told his fellow planning board members on Tuesday that he thinks the issue should have come before the planning board to get approval. He said that the village code allows the building inspector to waive the planning board process if nothing is going to change in the hours of operation, traffic and parking of the new business. In its application for a certificate of occupancy, the Mountain Valley Guides said the business would stay open from 9 am to 10 pm and would store kayaks on trailers behind the building on Churchill Street.

“The trailers to my mind are an issue from a planning point of view,” Small said. “This is perhaps the most important building in our village, its smack in the village square, and I think we should know what it is going on.”

Planning board member Lee. Murphy said he thought the public deserved a chance to have a say in the project. His colleague Andrew Argenio was concerned about the board trying to tell the building inspector how to do his job and he pushed to honor the process agreed to by the village board that determined the decision could be appealed to the zoning board. Tony Missere, whose neighboring business will be impacted by the kayak shop, has filed an appeal and the planning board agreed that it would weigh in with its opinion in a letter to the ZBA.



Comments:

Jeffery Small is correct. Having inspected thousands of buildings myself this is really not within the scope of the building inspectors job. This issue should ABSOLUTELY go in front of the planning board. If anyone thinks that this will not impact traffic and parking in this area they are sorely mistaken. We already have a kayaking(SKAT) and the village can not sustain both businesses. I really have to wonder what is really going on here. Let us please have our planning board use their good judgement in a decision that will effect everyone in the village.

The Building Inspector made a correct decision regarding the DPW building as they are to have a C-of-O prominently displayed. That is reason alone for him to give a vacate order. But a new business operating out of a current building is within the scope of the Planning Board NOT the Building Inspector.

I'd also like to know if Church Street is within the business district? This is where the kayaks will be coming in and out of and seems to be a residential street.


posted by P W on 03/18/10 at 4:24 PM

For once I totally agree with Pat Welch regarding the DPW and the kayak shop


posted by J Buescher on 03/18/10 at 6:03 PM

I disagree with Welch. its not the villages sustainability it is the business that must be sustainable. If there are three kayak operations thats their choice to decide if it will be feasible. the inspector may have been better off going to the planning board though.


posted by j h on 03/19/10 at 9:42 PM

its not that there will be more than one kayak operation its the change of use and the effect on the neighborhood in the center square. There is an empty store front across from SKAT maybe this would be a better choice


posted by J Buescher on 03/20/10 at 7:13 AM

Mr Snyder,

The crux of my entire post if you had comprehended the entire post was that the decision to grant the kayak business in said location is not to be determined by the village inspector. It is beyond his scope of duty. I really can't see how you misread my post. After you reread my post you will see my point was how this business in said building would affect traffic.

Then please read Stephans post which sums the entire thread up nice and tidy. Anything that will impact the traffic is NOT within the Village Inspectors job description. Stephan mentions how dangerous the intersection in the center of the village is right now. No, this should be for the Planning Board to determine. They are aware of how dangerous it is currently and they are the Professional body to make the determination for the village.

I added my sentence about the sustainabilty of two kayak stores because I really wonder what the true purpose of this "new business" is really about.
Just a hounddogs sense that maybe there is another reason but that is pure conjecture on my part.


posted by P W on 03/20/10 at 3:58 PM

John Breitenbach,

This tiny street is so small we are all getting the name wrong. It's Chuchchill St not to be confused with Church St by COHES. It is exactly one block long between Idlewild and Spruce.
I just went down the street and it is quite the small residential street. I can very well understand anyone who lives near it not wanting trucks hauling kayaks on it.

I'd still like to know if Churchchill St is within the business district. If anyone knows can they please post.

Also J Buescher mentioned a vacant commercial building across the street from S.C.A.T. right on Hudson St. I agree this is a safer place for a business of this type. I do wish the powers that be within our tiny village not make a mess of this and put the ball where it rightly belongs and that would be the Planning Board.


posted by P W on 03/20/10 at 5:16 PM

Welch,

You need to re -read my e-mail. As I clearly stated that the inspector would have been better off taking it to the board. I am going to the next Chamber of Commerce Meeting. I hope to be a good advocate for new business in Cornwall and Cornwall on Hudson. Although it is no suprise to anyone that our mainstreet is in dire need of attention. What we are quabbling over is petty. So what a little more traffic, be more careful. Your conjecture is tiresome. Lets transition Cornwall into a Cold Spring or Nyack. C'mon new comers to Cornwall is'nt that what you envisioned when you moved here?

We should all focus on Key Foods Leaving. That is a crisis. Many people that dont drive depend on that store, and so do the people that are employed there. If anyone has an update please advise.


posted by j h on 03/22/10 at 12:01 PM

schneider,

Cold Spring? Nyack? Key Food? Newcomers? A lttle off topic aren't you? In fact I haven't a clue what you are babbling about.

The topic brought up was that Jeff Small the Planning Board chair believes that the Building Inspector made a mistake when he issued a C-of-O to a Kayak Company to rent and sell kayaks out of the old Storm King Theater. Mr Small believes the decision should lie with the planning board. Mr Small is absolutely correct. That was and remains my position.

Whatever that other Goobledygook you post means I haven't a clue.


posted by P W on 03/22/10 at 2:01 PM

Welch,
clearly you dont see the bigger picture. My comments are well received throughout the community. You always report on nothing more than what is common knowledge. Its your conjecture and that of others that are keeping Cornwall from being progressive.


posted by j h on 03/22/10 at 2:40 PM

>>>I disagree with Welch. its not the villages sustainability it is the business that must be sustainable.<<<

>>>We should all focus on Key Foods Leaving. That is a crisis<<<

ahem, seems to me neither Grand Union nor Key Food were sustainable. As you say that isn't the business of the Village.

If you wanted Cold Spring or Nyack MOVE. I moved here for a nice quiet, safe and small community. If you want a Bigger more Progressive(?) community I hope you find it. I like it fine right here.


posted by P W on 03/22/10 at 3:49 PM

Have you seen Nyack lately? They now have guardian angels protecting the citizens. Please attend your planning and board meetings and Listen to the influences that be. Having dense populations in a small area brings trouble in which i believe is incorporated in the master plan that select individuals want passed.


posted by J Buescher on 03/22/10 at 5:01 PM

JB,

We agree again. Who the heck wants this to be another Nyack! I say they should move there. This is a nice peaceful village, great schools, traffic not to bad except when West Point lets out. Lets keep it a hidden gem.

One things that DOES worry me. Like I said I know exactly the scope of a bulding inspectors duties are. I sure hope our current Inspector was vetted before his appointment. We cannot be hiring anyone who has been arrested for any crime that would effect his position. I wonder if this was done? I only ask because this issueing a C-of O for the new Kayak shop is a glaring errror in my opinion and I don't know how any qualified B.I. could have issued it. It most certainly belongs in the hands of the planning board.


posted by P W on 03/23/10 at 9:36 AM

Welch and others,
The last thing I am looking to do is argue with you repetitively. The Village and the Town must function harmoniously. cornwall is not a hidden Gem look on realtor.com or talk to people from around the region that are transplants here. The town and Village are in need of a revitalization otherwise it will get worse with crime and drugs, its already here. A facelift with new businesses will help reduce those issues and bring in needed revenue. Its time for a change here and you will not stand in the way with your "old school" thinking. I have stirred up a bus around the athletic fields and with the local citizens, Carpe diem!


posted by j h on 03/23/10 at 11:05 AM

One of the downfalls to the town was the move of the high school out of town and why did we move it out of town? Maybe we had grown too much for our own good. Now we have brand new buildings on Quaker ave . with that we have even more degradation of main street. Business growth is good and no one is arguing against that, it is the planning process and the ever need to grow without thought of consequences. We must proceed in another direction with our planning process. We must make quality of life the upmost importance not the amount of cars and buildings and parking garages. It really makes no sense to direction ourselves with the old school ideals it will not make this place unique it will not.


posted by J Buescher on 03/23/10 at 2:25 PM

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