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General News: Mayor Concerned About Planned Development

The former DPW buildings will be removed to make way for the new apartments and storefronts.
The former DPW buildings will be removed to make way for the new apartments and storefronts.
This house will be converted to mixed commercial and residential use.
This house will be converted to mixed commercial and residential use.
Plans for the two lots nearest Hudson Street
Plans for the two lots nearest Hudson Street
Plans for the townhouses in the rear
Plans for the townhouses in the rear
July 24, 2008

Village mayor Joe Gross is not happy with a multi-use commercial/residential development at the former site of the Department of Public Works on Hudson Street, which is nearing approval by the village planning board. In an interview last Friday, the mayor said the project is out of line with village building codes and will create more problems for pedestrians.

The development plan calls for the new construction of one building with four two-bedroom apartments and four storefronts, a second area with six attached two-story townhouses, and the renovation of an existing house on Hudson into an apartment and commercial space.

Originally, developer Burns & Whalen had proposed building three single-family homes at the location. When that proposal went before the planning board in 2006, the board asked the developers to come up with a different model.

In an interview last year, planning board chair Mary Aspin said that the changes reflected the board’s intention to see the parcel developed as an integrated site and to develop a denser housing cluster in the central business and shopping district.

That’s exactly where Mayor Gross thinks the planning board went wrong.

In Mayor Gross’s view, more congestion in the business district will cause more problems and the police will have to do more to enforce speed limits and ensure pedestrian safety. He noted that one of the goals of moving the DPW out of the site was to minimize vehicle traffic across the sidewalk. “There is a lack of visibility there because of people parking on the roadway,” he explained. “You will have more traffic and more congestion and more work the police will have to do.”

Mayor Gross cited a concern that the two-bedroom apartments and townhouses will bring more school-age children to the village and further tax the school district’s budget. The single-family homes would have limited that impact, he said.

“If I had a choice between the project with three houses or the current project, I’d take the first one,” the Mayor said.

He believes that the new project is not consistent with the village code and noted that the developers had to apply for a large number of variances. “The planning and zoning boards were going off in the wrong direction,” he said.

The mayor said the concept of critical mass, which he described as the idea that if you create enough density within the core of the village it will stimulate business is not in the current village code, Mayor Gross noted, and suggested it could have been drawn from the draft master plan, which has not been adopted by the village board. "They put the cart before the horse," he said.

Two members of the current planning board also served on the Master Plan Committee -- Lee Murphy, the committee’s chair, and Jeffrey Small, who had a major role in the committee’s design recommendations.

Asked about the mayor's view, Lee Murphy said that the Burns & Whalen project design has nothing to do with the master plan but reflects the age-old concept of village life, where population is more dense. The commercial storefronts, he noted will also add to the tax base for the village, which is badly needed.

Murphy’s fellow planning board member Jeffrey Small, an architect, said he couldn’t comment on the mayor’s views, but he believes that a mixed-use property is much more in step with village life than suburban-style houses.

“I think that what we really want to do is to build a project that is in character with our central business center,” Small said in an interview. “If you look at all the great old buildings on Hudson Street, they are mixed used and the new homes that have been built detract from the village atmosphere”

Small also noted that the new project emphasizes pedestrian access. “We wanted to make sure there are sidewalk paths,” Small said. “If you are going to have a vibrant village center you are going to walk.”




Comments:

Is this another example of Mayor Joe trying to overstep his boundaries with misinformation? This project did not just appear mysteriously. If Joe Gross had a guenuine concern why did he not voice his opinion during the past 4 years while it was in the development? Oh that's right, there was no sign of Joe Gross at a public meeting until he had the notion to run for Mayor. Does any body else see a soap box here? If so kick it back to the curb where it belongs. This project will bring business as well as residency into the Village... into the heart of the Village. Why would anyone especially an elected official cast or try to cast a negative image on a positive project like this... unless Mayor Joe has some other reasons that he should perhaps be vocal about and be sure that it is accurate.


posted by gone2nc868 on 07/25/08 at 4:43 AM

I don't know enough about this project to comment on it - but I do know that gone2nc868 is wrong in his attack on Mayor Gross. During my residence in COH, I saw Mayor Gross at many village meetings, and he discussed this very project with me on several occassions over the past few years. For one who demands accurracy, gone2nc868 is pretty careless about that requirement when it comes to himself. I look forward to hearing more about the development's pros & cons (and less personal attacks - especially false ones).


posted by cpmomcat on 07/25/08 at 6:59 AM

We have just moved to COH from a town nearer to NYC. During the 14 years we lived in our previous town, I watched as developers built on every available lot with emphasis on multi-family development. At the end of our residence in this town, it was suffering from infrastructure stress and overcrowding in the schools, as well as traffic density that was impacting everyone's quality of life. The increased revenues that were promised by the development apparently didn't happen, because taxes went up and up.


posted by mindfull on 07/25/08 at 7:21 AM

This project will be like the one that still going up on main street.A big ugly building that was really overprice and taking years to finish.When will someone live in that complex !!! Cornwall needs to be more concered with there empty storefronts.How many nail saloons do we really need and why do we have two chinese food places in the same area.Pretty soon cornwall will look like New windsor,were they just keep building.If they keep building like this are taxes will get raised higher because no one is buying.


posted by rayray on 07/25/08 at 8:49 AM

The idea of mixed use and density (human) are at the core of walkable/livable communities. The rise of suburbia, which emphasized the separation of homes from services (e.g. commerce), was literally and figuratively fueled by the growing dominance of a car culture. Drive to the shopping center, mall, school, little league field, etc. At a time when gas is approaching $5/gallon and the impact of global warming makes a change from a carbon based economy a matter of necessity. It strikes me as irrational that Cornwall-on-Hudson would consider anything other than mixed-use walkable development. The Mayor's concern about traffic and congestion may be understandable, but it is wrongheaded in the extreme to push development that makes COH less walkable/livable and more car centric.


posted by tbregman on 07/25/08 at 8:54 AM

Dito to MINDFULL
I had also lived in an area in the Midwest while growing up and with first hand I noticed a quaint village turned into an eyesore it is today with promised revenue and storefronts that turned abandoned. Just look uptown for an example and you can see a problem manifesting itself at this very time. The mayor is absolutely right in having careful planed development and one who apposes that should carefully examine what they really want out of life.


posted by jcbike1 on 07/25/08 at 8:55 AM

There are so many available buildings/stores - why can't we fix those first - then build more if needed.


posted by DP on 07/25/08 at 10:19 AM

hudson street the new main street? The old dpw lot the new quaker ave?


posted by jcbike1 on 07/25/08 at 1:33 PM

In response to cpmomcat, I do remember Joe Gross being at a few very few village board meetings prior to his known intention to run for office. Perhaps you should check some of the minutes to find exactly how many comments or lack thereof were made in a public forum by Mayor Joe. Grateful87: I have absolutely no financial interest in this development and don't even live in the area now. Just pointing out the obvious. How can this project no be in the best interest of the Village? It will provide rateables for taxes (prior this property was tax exempt) it will provide housing in the heart of the Village where residents can walk to all local shops and service, therefore proving financial stimulous to the Village and reducing the dependency on fuels to travel outside of the Village.


posted by gone2nc868 on 07/26/08 at 12:03 AM

Although I understand the Planning Board's enthusiasm for embracing currently popular trends in clustering and high-density mixed use projects, I am surprised that they were so "influencial" in the developer's design concept.

The developers have undoubtably spent many thousands of dollars adjusting their plans and designs in order to please the Planning Board's suggestions. The resulting design places rather large buildings on the parcel instead of the originally envisioned three or so high-end single family homes.

I would have to think that the costs to construct the project as currently proposed would be extreme. The commercial building planned will be a substantial building that will require fire sprinklers and all the other modern requirements of the current commercial building codes. The infrastructure required will be quite extensive too.

I would almost venture to guess that the developers would much rather build a smaller scope project that would require a much smaller effort and a better return on their investment.

And one other point...in this "go green" environmently friendly society we live in these days...is it wise to demolish two fine antique barns and a fairly modern commercial garage facility? Seems wasteful to me.


posted by John H on 07/27/08 at 1:02 PM

Kinkos and Starbucks - Print tomorrow's presentations in color format online for pickup, walk down for a venti gingerbread latte!!

Serious note, I do have concern over traffic access onto Hudson St. from the proposed location.


posted by w2eny on 07/27/08 at 5:40 PM

My first choice is to leave things as there are...trees and open must be done then please go back to three nice homes in that area we do not need more people ..or children to stress our schools..I too have see a community spoiled by just what is being proposed.I know the Mayor cares deeply for this community


posted by Susan on 07/27/08 at 8:47 PM

oops in my haste didn't proof read what i wrote
should read trees and open space..if something must be done....
I have seen another community spoiled


posted by Susan on 07/27/08 at 8:50 PM

<<Perhaps you should check some of the minutes to find exactly how many comments or lack thereof were made in a public forum by Mayor Joe>>

Attendance does not equal on the record comments. I appreciate the attendance of those who are always there, but seldom speak. They are watching out for all of us - and they communicate what they witness to neighbors and acquaintances, which is highly valuable to those of us who care, but can't or don't take the time to attend the meetings. Joe Gross was a familiar face to all at various village meetings, and has been passionate about COH for his entire life. You can diagree with Joe's opinion, but you can't fault his motivation and dedication.


posted by cpmomcat on 07/28/08 at 8:56 AM

Leave the village as it is. There are enough empty storefronts in the village and the town already. I also agree with the concerns of traffic at this location. Seems to me that this is nothing more then an opportunity for a certain developer to fatten his wallet.
I also find this attack on Mayor Gross to be completely false. Though I personally have not attended many of the meetings mentioned I know that Mayor Gross has. Joe is and always has been a person who cares very deeply about the village.


posted by j. cornish on 07/28/08 at 5:13 PM

In response to the post regarding a "certain developer": Since when is a developer a dirty word? I hope the "developer" is trying to get a return on his investment. If the "developer " is successful, he will add taxable property to the tax roles. If he is really successful, the property will be even more valuable; and, he will pay even more taxes. This would certainly help the rest of us (unless, of course, your taxes are too low). The "developer" is proposing to make an eyesore attractive. The "developer" has invested significant time and money in trying to appease the planniing board. If you had a problem with the project, you should have voiced it years ago. The status quo is nice, but not always right.


posted by Joe McDonald on 07/28/08 at 7:30 PM

Well, that was part of the problem.In the past we did not have a say in things. Thankfully now we have a Mayor and a board that listens. Just ask the administration that is in there now how they had to untangle items that were pushed ahead without proper planning.


posted by jcbike1 on 07/30/08 at 10:10 AM

what sticks in my mind is how Rick Gioia was often hushed at village meetings? TO me that is not the type of govenment we want


posted by jcbike1 on 07/30/08 at 10:13 AM

It is not the developer's fault or responsibility to control the meetings, nor how the input by residents is received. The developer has worked, at significant expense, with the administration to meet their requirements. He should not be penalized because the new regime has different opinions than the old regime. He acted in good faith, so should the new administration. We are discussing one of our fellow resident's livelihood - it's not a political game - it's how he feeds his family and pays his mortgage.


posted by Joe McDonald on 07/31/08 at 11:35 AM

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